tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post7059284624688576912..comments2023-05-27T00:06:43.961+09:00Comments on The Preacher and the Skeptic: Kissing Hank's AssDoug DeLonghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11885710324806794921noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-56619470501398291272009-05-26T12:29:03.740+09:002009-05-26T12:29:03.740+09:00Paul.
that's a shame (straight talking).
I do re...Paul.<br /><br />that's a shame (straight talking).<br /><br />I do realise that Punk is not really the music of choice for persons of your generation, still, it would have been interesting to hear your thoughts on hearing the voices of a younger and very much disaffected generation, many of whom (by virtue of a better education, I suppose) have come to see the central role established religions have in maintaining the entirely unsatisfactory status quo; after all, war and pollution are destroying the future of their children!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-51627318804709364452009-05-26T11:28:22.629+09:002009-05-26T11:28:22.629+09:00jr,
It looks to me that we can't agree about anyt...jr,<br /><br />It looks to me that we can't agree about anything accept that personal attacks aren't nice. You are right about my verbal impotence. Since you are not even willing to take me up on my offer, I will not be responding to your comments anymore.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12163876007786334757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-46126537797695328552009-05-25T22:34:55.811+09:002009-05-25T22:34:55.811+09:00Paul.
your reply ("..served as chairman..", "Help...Paul.<br /><br />your reply ("..served as chairman..", "Helped out with a lot of good community events.") makes me realise that you probably have never had to labour to sustain yourself -- whatever happened to "ora et labora" ;)<br /><br />re the "deal" you offer. I've read most of the Bible and the Koran, both in translation of course, and have no stomach for the florid (turgid?) prose employed by the proselytisers. perhaps you would like to listen to Crass "Asylum", Bauhaus "Stigmata Martyr", or Skunk Anansie "Selling Jesus"? I'd be inclined to look at the sites you recommend afterwards (as a favour to you).<br /><br /><br />Leaving Religion.<br /><br />second Anonymous' post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-88431094071669461272009-05-25T22:13:04.987+09:002009-05-25T22:13:04.987+09:00Leaving Religion,
Good for you man. That's the wa...Leaving Religion,<br /><br />Good for you man. That's the way the world SHOULD work.<br /><br />**Thumbs up**Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-55601333952315445242009-05-25T13:43:54.530+09:002009-05-25T13:43:54.530+09:00I do not play victim... I moved on and let go of t...I do not play victim... I moved on and let go of the things that were holding me back. The main thing being religion. Now I do good things in the name of doing good things, instead of doing good things so I can then turn around and tell people that they are wrong and I am right. <br /><br /> I no longer go and do something nice for someone because it opens a door to tell them that they better accept Jesus or they are going straight to hell. I do something nice and good because it is the right thing to do.Leaving Religionhttp://leavingreligion.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-12055481597797901932009-05-25T11:31:54.029+09:002009-05-25T11:31:54.029+09:00I have taught a lot of Japanese how to speak Engli...I have taught a lot of Japanese how to speak English and some of them have also become Christians, but I didn't coerce them at all. I served as the chairman of our neighborhood counsel for one year. Helped out with a lot of good community events. All of my co-workers were non-christians and we got along fine. <br /><br />Jr. I will make a deal with you. You go and read the two sites I have on my blog roll, Ancient NT Manuscripts and Did Jesus Realy Exist ( particulary pay attention to Tacitus and Flavius Josephus) If you give me an intellegent responce to those articles then I will stop calling you a piece of software.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12163876007786334757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-46808382884093729062009-05-25T09:30:15.770+09:002009-05-25T09:30:15.770+09:00Paul.
re. your reply to Leaving Religion, would y...Paul.<br /><br />re. your reply to Leaving Religion, would you care to enlighten us what good *you* are doing in this world? are you inflicting your 'commander-in-chief' on others?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-33909301483960370002009-05-25T09:21:38.201+09:002009-05-25T09:21:38.201+09:00so Preacher Paul, I did as you asked and dealt wit...so Preacher Paul, I did as you asked and dealt with your suppostion but, I see, you have no reply.<br /><br />I have noticed your (verbal) impotence in another entry ("Mother Teresa: Angel or Agnostic?") where, when you could not deal with Lorena's argument, you had to resort to personal attack, trying (unsuccessfully IMO) to be sarcastic.<br /><br />same here, no argument therefore become personal.<br /><br />question to you Paul: supposing Jesus existed, how can you prove that he taught Christian values, how can you prove that you're not simply misrepresenting the views of a dead guy who cannot defend himself?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-83472929964408581812009-05-25T08:30:03.043+09:002009-05-25T08:30:03.043+09:00Dear Leaving Religion,
I would like to appologize...Dear Leaving Religion,<br /><br />I would like to appologize on behalf of those who have taken advantage of your trust. Jesus would never have done that, and I hope I would never do that, too. Now, are you able to stop being the victim of so-called Christian ministers and really do some good in this world?Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12163876007786334757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-35575948818668681682009-05-25T07:54:00.681+09:002009-05-25T07:54:00.681+09:00"...you need to first develop a trusting relations..."...you need to first develop a trusting relationship with them. Then, you need to help them to realize that their world view is really wrong."<br /><br />This statement is exactly why I always felt very uncomfortable when I was evangelizing. It's this type of persuasion attitude, kick them when they're down, get them to trust and then tell them why everything they are and do is evil... that eventually caused me to leave. <br /><br />I gave my trust, probably because I was raised around it. That trust was used against me several times, and the final time was the last straw. <br /><br />People wonder why those who have left Christianity have such a guilt complex and feel they can never trust people again. The sentiment behind the statement above... is why.Leaving Religionhttp://leavingreligion.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-43380278322489060962009-05-24T15:18:54.800+09:002009-05-24T15:18:54.800+09:00Kudos to the creators of jr,a very remarkable piec...Kudos to the creators of jr,a very remarkable piece of software. However I would encourage them to give it a few tweaks so that it can access actual historical documents and make comments on them rather than make pat generalizations about western civilization.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12163876007786334757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-32248911120876759392009-05-24T00:35:28.926+09:002009-05-24T00:35:28.926+09:00Paul.
personally, I have no "faith" in a characte...Paul.<br /><br />personally, I have no "faith" in a character called Jesus ever existing. however, for the sake of argument, let's assume that there was a carpenter called Jesus, why should I believe that he preached the Christian faith? I know that the Christian church took the sign of the cross from the pagans and used it for its own purposes, I know that "Christmas" is the church using the traditional winter solstice for its own purposes, and so on; the church is full of symbolism and lore taken from other, older cultures and (mis-)used for its own ends, why should the carpenter be different?<br /><br />so you think I'm "a (sic) elaborate computer program"?<br /><br />well, 001011100111011101010101110 to you ;)<br /><br />seriously, while it could be argued that by virtue of my being DNA/RNA based like other life-forms on this planet, I'm an embodyment of code, it would still not mark me as being different (in any significant way) from you. believe me, I feel as uncomfortable with *that* thought as, presumably, you do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-85591314356284875892009-05-23T12:52:16.811+09:002009-05-23T12:52:16.811+09:00The original pamphlet is one of my favorites.
Fin...The original pamphlet is one of my favorites.<br /><br /><A HREF="http://jhuger.com/kisshank.php" REL="nofollow">Find it here</A> and <A HREF="http://www.jhuger.com/pamphlets/kha.pdf" REL="nofollow">print it out</A> to hand to the JWs that come to your door. Here's a <A HREF="http://www.jhuger.com/kisshankbutt.php" REL="nofollow">non-naughty version</A>.Robert Madewellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13237253238274655114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-20187884575239912302009-05-23T11:51:51.994+09:002009-05-23T11:51:51.994+09:00Jr.
Your insistence that Jesus is a fictional cha...Jr.<br /><br />Your insistence that Jesus is a fictional character even after I have shone links to ancient non-Christian historians who spoke of Him as a historical person, proves to me that you are not a credible person. Haven't you just about re-written history from before the French revolution anyway? Let me level with you. I don't believe that you exist as a person. You are nothing but a elaborate computer program put together by atheists that gives pat answers to the claims of believers.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12163876007786334757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-3320811974669395292009-05-23T06:04:47.212+09:002009-05-23T06:04:47.212+09:00Skeptic writes that Christians view this life as "...Skeptic writes that Christians view this life as "just a way station to the next life, and so everything you do is focused on the next life."<br /><br />IMO that is the very reason that our planet is in the state is in; we rape its resources for personal gain, we pollute it to an extent where many species have become extinct and many more, probably including humans, are next on the list.<br /><br />my charge is therefore that the Abrahamic belief system is directly responsible for the unnecessary deaths of countless human and non-humans individuals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-73056815848858538452009-05-23T04:53:36.084+09:002009-05-23T04:53:36.084+09:00wow, "I believe" ;)
seriously, Preacher's respons...wow, "I believe" ;)<br /><br />seriously, Preacher's responses are very revealing.<br /><br />he says 'Hank isn't real but Jesus is',<br />well, how deluded can you get? Preacher, I've asked before -- what proof do you have for your assertion that "Jesus" was a historical person?<br /><br />also, "When reaching someone of a different world view, you need to first develop a trusting relationship with them. Then, you need to help them to realize that their world view is really wrong." and this is exactly how it works, first you build up trust, then you misuse it! what you're really saying, Preacher, is that once you have acquired an understanding of another person's thinking, you can then use this knowledge against that person. it shows how low you religious types really are (just look at the current scandal of child abuse that's shocking Ireland; those children, and their parents, trusted the Christian clergy, and what they got was physical, mental, and sexual abuse. great traditions!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com