tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post1580534192639440299..comments2023-05-27T00:06:43.961+09:00Comments on The Preacher and the Skeptic: Why Do Christians Hate Gay People?Doug DeLonghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11885710324806794921noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-9425410305871246382014-07-31T16:23:06.913+09:002014-07-31T16:23:06.913+09:00To continue:
I'm also appalled at the stateme...To continue:<br /><br />I'm also appalled at the statement referencing how it's not our place to step in to Uganda and that those people should just stop acting on it or leave the country. Wow. Just wow. I don't recall how the statement exactly goes, but I'll phrase it in my own words "when they came to take the (insert group of people), I didn't speak out because I wasn't (those people). When they came to take the (insert another group of people), I didn't speak out because I wasn't (those people). And when they came to take me, I looked around for someone to speak out, but there was no one left." The point is, doing nothing to stop injustice because it doesn't pertain to you is unjust. A good question was raised .. if it were Christians being imprisoned or killed, would you still turn away? <br /><br />Why is it such a hard concept to just love and accept everyone? To not give the usual "I don't hate the sinner, I hate the sin." I call total BS. That's just a line gay people are so incredibly sick of hearing. Because for one, you are morally judging the person, labeling their behavior as a sin. And two, because the next sentence is usually about how the act is perverted, etc. That feels very much like judgment. My favorite of all, though, however, is when they say "I don't hate them, I just don't agree with their lifestyle." First, I'm not living a "lifestyle." Well, no more than a straight person is living a lifestyle. And second, excuse me, but who the hell are you? You don't AGREE with MY life? What makes you think you get to have a say in aggreeance over MY life? What makes you think you get to agree or disagree about anything I do? That's such a self-centered thing to say. It kills me. You don't agree with my life. Please. Get over yourself. That's insulting. <br /><br />I don't believe in god, and I don't agree with the people who choose to live that lifestyle (sorry, couldn't help myself). But you don't see me telling you to suppress your Christian beliefs. Live and let live, darn it. Live and let live. Oh, and stand up for injustices in the world. Because one day, those people might just be the ones to stand up for you.<br /><br />PS: if the only reason you try to be a good person is because you think there's some ultimate reward at the end for it, that actually just makes you an asshole. I treat all people with love and respect, regardless of age, sex, race, ethnicity, and sexual orientation, simply because it's the right thing to do. Not because I'm afraid of some punishment at the end. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-14671436830496170492014-07-31T16:19:59.923+09:002014-07-31T16:19:59.923+09:00To Tina, from many years ago who will most likely ...To Tina, from many years ago who will most likely never read this; you're actually excited for the day you believe you get to witness peoples suffering?? How sadistic and evil-sounding. That's rather disturbing .. but not surprising.<br /><br />What is this nonsense about using the word gay? That as long as you are suppressing your sexual urges, you aren't actually gay? The exodus international people; aka "pray the gay away" people, have even admitted that it DOESN'T work. And even the founder admitted to struggling with homosexual thoughts and urges after all these years. Go figure. Want to know why? Because he's GAY. Even if he's married to a woman and forcing himself to have horrible sex with her, that still doesn't make him straight. It's what's in your heart that matters. It would be exactly the same thing as a straight guy trying to force himself to stop desiring women and to either become asexual or force himself to become attracted to men. If you forced yourself to have sex with men, as a straight man, would you feel then that you were actually gay? Or more like you were straight but forcing yourself to be gay? And can you just imagine how uncomfortable and awkward that would feel for you? That's the kind of stuff you force gay people to attempt to do all the time. Gay people can't just become straight in the same way straight people can't just become gay. It doesn't work like that. And to try to encourage someone to do so is just plain ridiculous. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-64480054290139073462014-01-05T08:15:57.306+09:002014-01-05T08:15:57.306+09:00Weskara Ross, thanks for your post. You point that...Weskara Ross, thanks for your post. You point that a certain part of your brain is enlarged that makes you gay lacks any conclusive medical or scientific evidence. It isn't a case of flipping a switch. It a case of identity: Who are you? Who determines how you should act and think (yourself or your Creator)? These are good questions to ask oneself.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12163876007786334757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-35984020045250820242014-01-04T13:13:34.278+09:002014-01-04T13:13:34.278+09:00I don't really thing they get it. It's lit...I don't really thing they get it. It's literally not a choice. I actually happens because a certain part of our brain is enlarged. Whatever religion you are, being either gay or lesbian isn't a choice. We can't just simply "flip a switch" in out heads and turn it off. I apologize if you can't accept that, but it's the truth.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04382133902560384646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-40869062948007679142014-01-04T13:13:03.997+09:002014-01-04T13:13:03.997+09:00I don't really thing they get it. It's lit...I don't really thing they get it. It's literally not a choice. I actually happens because a certain part of our brain is enlarged. Whatever religion you are, being either gay or lesbian isn't a choice. We can't just simply "flip a switch" in out heads and turn it off. I apologize if you can't accept that, but it's the truth.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04382133902560384646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-47692295655288206492013-08-14T06:23:07.879+09:002013-08-14T06:23:07.879+09:00With only 5% of the worlds population being homose...With only 5% of the worlds population being homosexual, I'd say your not looking hard enough...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-67697657313031971302013-08-09T12:01:22.548+09:002013-08-09T12:01:22.548+09:00well lets just say that the lesbians are making it...well lets just say that the lesbians are making it much harder for us straight guys that are looking for a good woman to share our life with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-10093353887657487682013-06-24T07:10:32.813+09:002013-06-24T07:10:32.813+09:00After reading a good chunk of comments, all I have...After reading a good chunk of comments, all I have to say is read the Bible in the KJV. Then study it by reading the original texts, Hebrew and Greek and comparing them to the KJV. Then read up on what was happening at the time of them being written. A lot of work but, if you call yourself a follower of God and Jesus, then you better know what they are talking about, not just taking the face value of the words...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-23439600953975210222013-03-10T06:46:07.887+09:002013-03-10T06:46:07.887+09:00You sound like a big time closet case. Afraid you ...You sound like a big time closet case. Afraid you migt like it too much Paulie boy, so you want to shut the rest of us down? Go to hell, we don't want friends like you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-77183228591576174222013-03-10T06:42:06.157+09:002013-03-10T06:42:06.157+09:00Believe me, Paul, none of us want a dumbsh|t like ...Believe me, Paul, none of us want a dumbsh|t like you blessing our marriages.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-86522715254000448422013-01-05T14:38:44.737+09:002013-01-05T14:38:44.737+09:00"I would love to see your face when God tell ..."I would love to see your face when God tell you."TO HELL WITH YOU". I can just hear you say, "BUT' but'BUT'.Make all the excuses you want to. I won`t put you down,but God will."<br /><br />Hey Tina, sounds like you really cant wait for God to punish people. Taking delight in the future suffering of others doesnt sound like something Jesus would do tho. Actually it sounds quite devilish.<br />Think about that.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-10618483826845523892013-01-05T14:35:59.593+09:002013-01-05T14:35:59.593+09:00"Homosexuals, thieves, murders, child moleste..."Homosexuals, thieves, murders, child molesters, liars, adulterers and drug addicts are all in bondage (addiction is spiritual bondage) to evil desires "<br /><br />Dont forget black people jews and gypsies theyre evil too!<br />c bradleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-1869789659983757182012-03-06T11:18:45.472+09:002012-03-06T11:18:45.472+09:00Loved it! Interesting Article. Hoping that you wil...Loved it! Interesting Article. Hoping that you will continue posting an article having a useful information. Thanks very much for sharing such an amazing blog post. Keep posting....westin hotel indianapolis inhttp://www.indianapolishotelsonline.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-82404198911031483992010-02-12T00:19:11.960+09:002010-02-12T00:19:11.960+09:00If you want to be gay or homo,or queer,thats your ...If you want to be gay or homo,or queer,thats your right,according to the law of the land. I believe in God and that is my right.I don`t really care about you that are gay. You will face the final judgement and have to accept the punishment. So be it. I would love to see your face when God tell you."TO HELL WITH YOU". I can just hear you say, "BUT' but'BUT'.Make all the excuses you want to. I won`t put you down,but God will.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09472369342688962004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-78036100775360113342009-12-22T10:17:18.970+09:002009-12-22T10:17:18.970+09:00Homosexuals, thieves, murders, child molesters, li...Homosexuals, thieves, murders, child molesters, liars, adulterers and drug addicts are all in bondage (addiction is spiritual bondage) to evil desires (or spirits, same thing).<br /><br />Christ was able to set people free from this by showing them how to receive the desire to do good things instead of evil and harmful things (the holy spirit).<br /><br />Obey Jesus' teachings in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5,6 & 7) and anyone can be freed from their evil addictions. This is basic Christianity. It is what it means to be saved. <br /><br />Read Act 5:32Chrishttp://www.godhatesfeminists.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-35930573268003136532009-12-15T13:24:22.599+09:002009-12-15T13:24:22.599+09:00Grace,
Thanks for the info. I found this interest...Grace,<br /><br />Thanks for the info. I found this interesting link...<br /><br />http://www.ecwr.org/<br /><br />But don't worry. Paul is perfectly cool with gay Christians - as long as you don't have sex. You know, it occurs to me that (from Paul's point of view) that is actually a pretty good argument for allowing same-sex marriage - everybody knows that your sex life comes to a screeching halt after you get married! ;-)Doughttp://planetjapan.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-5929532103296535392009-12-15T06:23:37.488+09:002009-12-15T06:23:37.488+09:00Thank God, Paul.
If you are interested to hear a...Thank God, Paul. <br /><br />If you are interested to hear a different perspective from Christians who feel as I do, check out "Evangelicals Concerned," on the web, or "Inclusive Orthodoxy." <br /><br />God bless.<br /><br />Your sister,<br />Grace.Gracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17018475588969974790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-90957540026663758872009-12-12T13:12:50.139+09:002009-12-12T13:12:50.139+09:00Well, I'm glad Rick talked some sense into you...Well, I'm glad Rick talked some sense into you. Apparently his opinion of the law, which is the same as mine, is not "meaningless." I think you need to amend your statement to read, " Such a worldview denigrates everyone's opinion and makes it meaningless TO ME, who sees everything through the very narrow prism of a 2000-year-old book."Doughttp://planetjapan.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-72806181073479926722009-12-12T05:19:00.293+09:002009-12-12T05:19:00.293+09:00Concerning the proposed law in Uganda, I have chan...Concerning the proposed law in Uganda, I have changed my mind. Rick Warren helped me to see the issue much better. Also, such an extreme law could very easily be used for politically malevolent purposes.<br /><br />As for lack of moral authority it comes with you atheistic world view. Such a world view denegrates everyone's opinion and makes it meaningless. But, for the sake of politeness I'll let off.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12163876007786334757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-57341940545112843792009-12-12T02:33:57.504+09:002009-12-12T02:33:57.504+09:00Paul,
Are you kidding me? They can "refrain ...Paul,<br /><br />Are you kidding me? They can "refrain from such acts, do them in absolute secret, or go across the border to do them?" THAT'S your solution to this abominable law? You are unbelievable. Rick Warren finally came out today with a strongly worded condemnation of the proposed law in a <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/10/rick-warren-publicly-cond_n_387512.html" rel="nofollow">video</a> that was sent to Ugandan pastors, asking them to please preach against it from their pulpits. By doing so, he earned a certain amount of respect from me. I urge you to watch it. <br /><br />And I'd appreciate it if you'd stop trying to denigrate my point-of-view with this "you're not my moral authority" bullshit. It's getting old.Doughttp://planetjapan.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-34050181090782872752009-12-12T01:48:41.364+09:002009-12-12T01:48:41.364+09:00The bottom line though is, (since the Bible is my ...The bottom line though is, (since the Bible is my moral authority) being a Christian is not wrong, but homosexual acts are wrong.<br /><br />You can rant all day about what you think is right or wrong, but in the final analysis you are just expressing your opinion. You are not my moral authority.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12163876007786334757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-84210215296666853742009-12-12T01:39:38.466+09:002009-12-12T01:39:38.466+09:00On the other hand a law like that against Christia...On the other hand a law like that against Christians would be not only against what they do but also what they believe. The Chinese government tried to stamp out Christianity, but has failed miserably.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12163876007786334757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-8827685144525623552009-12-12T01:33:39.262+09:002009-12-12T01:33:39.262+09:00Doug,
That law can only be enforced against acts ...Doug,<br /><br />That law can only be enforced against acts of homosexuality not sexual orientation. Gays who have any wisdom at all could refrain from such acts, do them in absolute secret, or go across the border to do them.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12163876007786334757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-59150994692182258972009-12-11T14:58:38.500+09:002009-12-11T14:58:38.500+09:00PAUL: Wow, I've just gone from being astounded...PAUL: Wow, I've just gone from being astounded to being downright flabbergasted!<br /><br />So you're cool with the proposed Ugandan law? If they want to execute gay people for their "sin," that's just fine with you? <br /><br />Since you didn't respond to my previous question, I'll ask it again. What if the same law targeted Christians instead of gays? Would you still be unwilling to condemn that law?<br /><br />GRACE: Rick Warren is saying that he isn't going to pass judgment on the law, essentially saying that it's none of his business, even though he has close ties to the people behind this atrocity. Check the links I posted earlier.Doughttp://planetjapan.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4457462934916022222.post-74896755299669793712009-12-11T12:21:44.779+09:002009-12-11T12:21:44.779+09:00I consider a homosexual act a sin based on what is...I consider a homosexual act a sin based on what is written in the Bible. There seems to be a consensus in Uganda (based on the Bible?) that a homosexual act is wrong and therefore they are deciding to make it a crime. What qualifies you to say that they are wrong or unjust?Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12163876007786334757noreply@blogger.com